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Taylor Group R1b-04

This page is about the Taylor genetic family designated number 004, its members, Y-DNA and other information.

 

Members

Taylor Group R1b-004 Members

Kit #
Tree
Name Most distant known ancestor Hap
grp
Score **
Lo Hi
_31766 Taylor Robert Taylor (1725, Edgecombe Co., NC - ?) R-M269 99.2% 100%
_44979 Taylor Robert Taylor (c.1665 IRE - c.1701 VA) R-M269 97.4% 100%
_58798 Taylor David Taylor (c.1813  NC- ?) R-M269 93.4% 100%
161816 Taylor John Taylor (1808 -1880 Montgomery Co, NC) R-M269 93.1% 100%
181566 Taylor John Henry Taylor (1808 NC - 1885 Winston, AL) R-M269 97.4% 100%
191651 Pierce John Pierce (1772 NC - 1865 TN) R-M269 90.9% 99.2%
211960 Harris Peter Harris b1784 PA Brythonic/Celtic R-L21 DF21 R-DF21 90.9% 99.8%
230143 Taylor John Henry Taylor (1808-1880) R-M269 97.4% 100%
258423 Ballard John Ballard (~1480 Herefordshire, ENG - ? ?) R-CTS4528   >80%
302290 Taylor ? R-M269   99.6%

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About this Group

The members of this line are in a sub-clade of haplogroup R1b1a2 (R-M269), the most common in the Taylor surname project and indicating a probable origin in the British Isles.

In addition, the members of this group also match the Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype (WAMH) on markers 1-12. This is the most common 12-marker Y-DNA pattern in western Europe and America. It includes the two predominant branches of R1b, R1b1a2a1a1 (defined by the SNP known as U106, M405 or S21) and R1b1a2a1a2 (defined by the SNP known as P312 or S116). STR matches (as these are) can sometimes be "coincidental" for WAMH men; SNP testing is recommended to rule out "coincidental matches".

Two members have tested positive for SNP L21 (defining R1b1a2a1a2c in 2013 tree), downstream of P312.

Y-DNA Values

See http://www.familytreedna.com/public/taylorfamilygenes/default.aspx?section=yresults.

Group R1b-04: Haplogroup = R1b1a2a

  • DYS names in red designate faster-changing markers.
  • "Count" is the number in the group who've had the marker tested.
Markers & Alleles
 594
Markers 1-12
DYS #39339019
(394)
391385
a
385
b
426388439389
|1
392389
|2
Count555555555555
Mode132414111114121212131329
Markers 13-25
DYS #458459
a
459
b
455454447437448449464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
Count5555555555544
Mode1791011112415192914151617
Markers 26-39
DYS #464
e
464
f
460GAT
AH4
YCA
IIa
YCA
IIb
456607576570CDY
a
CDY
b
442438
Count11555555555555
ModeN/AN/A101119231615181336371212
Markers 40-54
DYS #531578395
S1a
395
S1b
590537641472406
S1
511425413
a
413
b
557
Count555555555555555
Mode119151681010810101223231610
Markers 55-69
DYS #436490534450444481520446617568487572640492565
Count555555555555544
Mode12121681222201312111311111112

Haplotype Rarity

Based on the values of the individual markers, the members of this genetic family score, on average, in the Average range for 37 markers and Very Common range for 67. Their haplotypes are among the middle 50% or most common 5%.

Genetic Network

With grateful thanks to McGee Utilities and Fluxus Engineering, we calculated the 37-marker genetic network diagram below.

Fluxus Network Diagram
Fluxus Network.

Reading the Fluxus Network Diagram

The network diagram gives a pictorial representation of how members of this genetic family may be related. It depicts inferred genetic branches of the paternal lineage and may be helpful in documentary research.

Caveats
  1. The inference criterion used to build the diagram is maximum parsimony or "Occam's Razor". This criteria (fewest possible assumptions) may not be the most appropriate in all instances.
  2. The diagram is not proof; it is one interpretation of available geneitc data. Alternative interpretations may be possible.
  3. ySTR data is "noisy"; it contains some unexplained variability. .
Notes on the diagram:

TiP Scores

TiP general

TiP Scores Explained

TiP (for "Time Predictor") is a utility provided by Family Tree DNA. It is accessible to all FTDNA customers with Y-DNA results who have matches listed within the FTDNA reporting windows. It is also available to project administrators for calculating the probabilities that any two project members share a direct paternal ancestor within up to 24 generations.

TiP is superior to most TMRCA calculators. Rather than assume an average mutation rate for all markers compared, TiP uses individual marker mutation frequencies. Because marker mutation rates vary significantly between markers, the TiP scores 

As we use it here, TiP is a truer and simpler measure of genetic distances between individuals than other metrics such as the number of markers in disagreement or a sum of the differences (sometimes called "genetic distance"). TiP boils the complexities down to one number.

The composite TiP score is an index of how closely a member matches the entire group. Generally, the member with the highest score is the central member.

Note:

Unless stated otherwise, TiP probabilities are from TiP version 1 (v1) in effect from August 1, 2012 to December 11, 2012. Another version was in effect from December 12, 2012 to January 17, 2013 and was replaced with version 3 (v3) on January 18, 2013. We are in the process of updating to v3. In the meantime, we've made some observations about how v1 and v3 compare:

TiP Scores: 37 markers, 24 generations
Number 191651 _31766 181566 _58798 161816 _44979 _211960 230143
191651 X 0.9917 0.9735 0.9342 0.9314 0.9735 0.9092 0.9735
_317660.9917 X 0.9998 0.9986 0.9985 0.9998 0.9977 0.9998
1815660.97350.9998X 0.9998 0.9998 0.99999 0.9902 0.99999
_587980.93420.9986>0.9998 X 0.9985 0.9998 0.9699 0.9998
1618160.93140.99850.9998 0.9985 X 0.9998 0.9684 0.9998
_449790.97350.99980.999990.9998 0.9998 X 0.9902 0.99999
2119600.90920.99770.9902 0.9699 0.9684 0.9902 X 0.9902
2301430.97350.99980.999990.9998 0.9998 0.999990.9902 X

Genetic distance from other groups

The most closely-related other groups in Taylor Family Genes are

This group marks the "genetic center" of the project's "R1b space"; it has the least distance from all other groups as measured by the chances of sharing a common paternal ancestor within 24 generations.

A comparison of TiP scores with all Taylor Family Genes members suggests that this group is at or very near the center of the R1b portion of the Taylor "Y-DNA space". It has the least genetic distance from other R1b groups and ungrouped members of any of the more than 70 groups found to date.

Haplogroup & SNPs

Three members have done meaningful SNP testing. They are positive for L21, DF21 and S5488, respectively. DF21+ is definitive for haplogroup R1b1a1a2a1a2c1e and S5488+ is definitive for R1b1a1a2a1a2c1e3. It is likely that other members would also prove S5488+ but additional testing is recommended for confirmation and refinement.

Phylogenetic placement

R-S5488 is downstream (a subclade) of R-M269. The apparent progression is M269 > P312 > L21 > DF21 > S5488 (with some omitted). Known subclades of S5488 include S7200, Z16294, FGC5494, & L1336.

Location

The highest present concentrations of the ancestral SNP L21 are in western England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland and Brittany. Ancestral L21 is considered the "Celtic marker" and probably arrived in the British Isles during the Bornze Age..

SNP Age

S5488 is believed to have formed about 4.3 kya and the MRCA for all S5488+ men lived about 3.7 kya.

 

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Revised: 23 Jun 2015